jeudi, septembre 09, 2004

thread for IRAQ, Darren and US policy

Ok This thread is a place for anybody to post things about the above topics. Darren was our good friend and alot of us were worried about him when he joined the marines and dissappeared twice. his life is the inspiration for alot of the content and he has endured alot and i wanna tip my hat with respect for him. from way up here in canada to the west coast camp pendleton... So this thread is for any thing about the war, or memories or other related.

Please keep religion out of here coz like jellabi from dead kennedys once said; "religion makes me..."


Thanks for tha bandwidth


himadri

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À 11:07 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

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À 11:07 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

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À 11:09 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

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À 11:12 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

Can an Army Volunteer Be a CO?
Who's eligible to be a conscientious objector?
By Andy Bowers
Posted Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 9:56 AM PT


Listen to this story on NPR's Day to Day.




Camilo Mejia, a U.S. Army Staff Sergeant who refuses to return to Iraq, has been told to report today to a base in Georgia or risk arrest. He returned to the United States on a two-week furlough in October and went into hiding until this week, when he turned himself in at another base. Mejia is now seeking conscientious objector status. How can you be a conscientious objector if you joined the Army voluntarily?

If you want to make the case for CO status after joining up, you have to show that you've had a change of heart while in the military. This could come as early as basic training (as anyone who's seen Full Metal Jacket will appreciate). Or it could come years later, after, say, an epiphany while on patrol in Baghdad. But that might take more explaining.

Of course, most people associate CO status with a draft, since that involves forced induction into the military. Perhaps that's because the number of CO applications exploded during the Vietnam War—the last time Americans faced a draft. (According to the Center on Conscience & War, 171,000 people who stood to be drafted were granted CO status in that conflict; many instead performed civilian public service stateside. The group estimates that 37,000 people were granted CO status in WWII.)

 
À 11:18 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

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The soldiers are volunteers for this effort, they see the "ATTN: Any Soldier" line and put your letters and packages into the hands of soldiers who don't get much or any mail.

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À 11:20 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

November 11th, 2004 4:09 pm
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ISTANBUL, Nov 10 (AFP) - A Turkish Islamist human rights group said Wednesday it was sending a truckload of baby food to the Iraqi rebel bastion of Fallujah which is facing a blistering US assault.

"A US strike on Iraq is a strike on Istanbul, Ankara," said Bulent Yildirim, president of the Association of rights and Freedom (IHH) as the truck was being loaded here.

He accused the United States of perpetrating "a huge massacre in Fallujah."

IHH, which is shipping 40,000 baby meals as well as clothes to Fallujah, also planned other aid convoys to ferry "medicines, food and doctors," Yildirim said.

Meanwhile dozens of people gathered near the IHH headquarters for a protest called by the Islamist Mazlum-Der (Oppressed) Association against US military operations in Iraq, according to an AFP photographer.

"Bush, America, murderers, out of the Middle East," "Allah is Great", the marchers chanted.

Meanwhile a coalition of various peace activists called for another protest demonstration against the US assault on Fallujah later in the day.

In Fallujah, west of Baghdad, US military officials said they expected to take complete control of the Sunni city within 48 hours if their assault continues on course.

Acting on the orders of Iraqi interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi after weeks of heavy bombardment, US marines backed by Iraqi troops Monday stormed Fallujah, west of Baghdad, in an assualt dubbed Operation Dawn.

The offensive is aimed at breaking the back of a tenacious insurgency so that elections planned for January can go ahead more smoothly and with wider participation.

 
À 11:20 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

November 11th, 2004 12:12 am
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By Terri Judd / The Independent

Families of British soldiers killed or serving in Iraq took their anger to the Prime Minister's doorstep yesterday. A group of 11 relatives observed a minute's silence outside 10 Downing Street after laying a wreath of poppies to honour the fallen of Iraq.

Reg Keys and Rose Gentle, who have both lost sons in the Iraq conflict, then entered the Prime Minister's official residence briefly to hand over a letter signed by families and calling for British troops to be brought home.

"It was important to be able to send a message to Tony Blair's doorstep that that is where responsibility lies for these troops. He sent them to war because of the 45-minute risk of a [weapons of mass destruction] strike. That was clearly a lie,'' Mr Keys said. "He has not apologised to one family."

On the day the bodies of three Black Watch soldiers were being flown home, Mr Keys added: "Well, Mr Blair, you certainly got them home for Christmas, but not the way their parents wanted them."

The families' bitterness has been increased by the threat to disband the Black Watch and three other regiments when they return from Iraq. Mr Blair has asked General Sir Michael Jackson, Chief of the General Staff, to review the plans to see if the regiments can be saved.

It seemed likely last night that there will be an attempt to rescue the cap badge and the kilt, but General Jackson is believed to be reluctant to shelve the merger of the regiments. During angry clashes with Michael Howard, the leader of the Opposition, Mr Blair said that no decision had been reached yet.

Outside the Commons, the quiet dignity of the relatives' small ceremony was in marked contrast to an unseemly debacle earlier in the day when the families were initially told they could not lay a wreath in Downing Street.

Theresa Evans, whose 24-year-old son, Llewellyn, was among the first to be killed when a US C-Knight helicopter crashed on 21 March 2003, in front of his brother on another flight, sobbed uncontrollably as she stood near the Cenotaph.

For James Buchanan from Arbroath, whose two sons, Craig and Gary, are currently with the Black Watch in Camp Dogwood, the sentiments were fear and fury. He condemned Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, for failing to tell families for three weeks about the controversial deployment into the American sector near Fallujah.

"Fighting is their job. That's what my boys went out there for. But not for the Americans, not for the lies they were told."

Mr Buchanan was speaking at a press conference to launch Military Families Against the War. While they acknowledged their numbers were small, with many families too traumatised to cope with the spotlight, they insisted support was growing.

Rose Gentle, whose 19-year-old son, Gordon, died in Basra while serving with the Royal Highland Fusiliers, said: "I have had contact from as far as Australia and America. I am getting calls every day."

 
À 10:10 p.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

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NEW YORK (AP) - The U.S. military is investigating the videotaped fatal shooting of a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner by a U.S. Marine in a mosque in Fallujah, a Marine spokesman said.

The dramatic footage was taken Saturday by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other prisoners wounded a day earlier in the mosque had also apparently been shot the next day by the Marines.

The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.

Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing 10 men and wounding five, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.

"He's faking he's (expletive) dead!" the first Marine says. The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner lying on the floor of the mosque. The video shown by NBC and provided to the network pool was blacked out at that point and did not show the bullet hitting the man. But a rifle shot could be heard.

"He's dead now," a Marine is heard saying.

The shooting is shown so quickly that it is impossible to tell whether the body was moving before the shot. The only movement which can be seen is the body flinching at the moment the bullet hits.

The camera then shows two Americans pointing weapons at another Iraqi lying motionless. But one of the Marines steps back as the man stretches out his hand, motioning that he is alive. The other Marine stands his ground, but neither of them fires.

The blacked out portion of the videotape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.

Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.

NBC reported that the Marine seen shooting the wounded Iraqi had himself been shot in the face the day before, but quickly returned to duty.

A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.

On Tuesday, the U.S. military said the 1st Marine Division is investigating an allegation of the unlawful use of force in the death of an enemy combatant in Fallujah during combat operations Saturday.

The Marine has been withdrawn from the battlefield pending the results of the investigation, the U.S. military said.

"We follow the law of armed conflict and hold ourselves to a high standard of accountability," said Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler, commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. "The facts of this case will be thoroughly pursued to make an informed decision and to protect the rights of all persons involved."

The International Committee of the Red Cross, which is mandated to uphold the Geneva Conventions on warfare, had no immediate comment, said spokeswoman Rana Sidani. She said she was trying to contact ICRC representatives in Iraq to find out what they had been able to determine about the case.

The Third Geneva Convention, the section of the 1949 treaty that applies to prisoners of war, says "persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat (out of combat) by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely."

It adds that "the wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for."

The judge advocate general heading the investigation, Lt. Col. Bob Miller, told NBC News that depending on the evidence, it could be reasonable to conclude the Marine was acting in self-defense.

"The policy of the rules of engagement authorize the Marines to use force when presented with a hostile act or hostile intent," Miller said. "So they would have to be using force in self-defense, yes."

"Any wounded - in this case insurgents - who don't pose a threat would not be considered hostile," said Miller.

Charles Heyman, a senior defense analyst with Jane's Consultancy Group in Britain, defended the Marine's actions, saying it was possible the wounded man was concealing a firearm or grenade.

"You can hear the tension in those Marines' voices. One is showing, 'He's faking it. He's faking it,'" Heyman said. "In a combat infantry soldier's training, he is always taught that his enemy is at his most dangerous when he is severely wounded."

If the injured man makes even the slightest move, "in my estimation they would be justified in shooting him."

The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.

Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.

Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.

The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According to his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.

Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera showed the unabridged version of the Fallujah mosque shooting tape, complete with one name visible on a backpack and the faces of the Marines, which were not shown on U.S. networks. There was no immediate comment on the tape from Middle Eastern governments because of a Muslim holiday.

The CNN broadcast of the pictures obscured parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.

NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marine's identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."

In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of its "graphic nature."

 
À 10:12 p.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

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À 10:26 p.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

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À 2:14 a.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

Mr. bin Laden said Mr. Bush reacted slowly to the Sept. 11 attacks as they were occurring, giving the hijackers more time than they expected to carry out the plot. At the time of the attacks, the president was visiting a group of second graders at an elementary school in Sarasota, Fla., holding a book called "My Pet Goat."

"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," Mr. bin Laden said, referring to estimates of the number of people who might have been at the World Trade Center.

Referring to the president, Mr. bin Laden said: "It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God."

 
À 3:30 p.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

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À 10:27 p.m. , Blogger ghosh a dit...

Bush's opening statement today in Canada

Globe and Mail Update




U.S. President George W. Bush's comments to reporters on Tuesday about his meeting with Paul Martin:

"Laura and I are so pleased to be here in Canada.

We thank you for your warm hospitality. Thank you for the meetings we've had, and I'm proud to be standing with the Prime Minister. He's a strong leader. He's a statesman who is helping to build a better world. I want to thank you for your leadership and friendship. Canada and the United States share a history, a continent, and a border. We also share a commitment to freedom and a willingness to defend it in times of peril.

The United States and Canada fought side by side in two world wars. In Korea and the Persian gulf and throughout the cold war. Today we are standing together against the forces of terror. Long-term success in this war requires more than military might. It requires the advance of liberty and hope as the great alternatives to hatred and violence. All free nations appreciate Canada's leadership, leadership of the security and stabilization mission in Afghanistan, leadership which helped make possible the first free nation-wide election in that country's history. Afghanistan is a world away from the nightmare of its recent past, Mr. Prime Minister. It is building a decent and democratic future and I want to thank you for your help.

Once again, people in that part of the world have demonstrated the power of liberty to overcome great challenges. Your vision is clear on that, Mr. Prime Minister, and I can't thank you enough for that. We're also standing with the brave people of Iraq who are preparing for elections on June the 30th. Both of our nations have a vital interest in helping the Iraqi people secure their country and build a free and democratic society. I want to thank the prime minister's resolve and his support for this great cause.

The Canadian government has pledged more than $200-million (U.S.) in humanitarian aid and reconstruction assistance and have agreed to relieve $450-million (U.S.) in Iraqi debt. A free and democratic Iraq is rising. Success of the liberty there will be a decisive blow to the ideology of terror and a model to reformers and democrats throughout the region. As we seek freedom for the Afghani and Iraqi people, America and Canada are working to further the spread of democracy in our own hemisphere.

In Haiti, Canada was a leader along with the United States, France, Chile, and other nations in helping to restore order. Canadian police are standing watch in Haiti at this hour, and the Prime Minister just visited the country to further the cause of political reconciliation. I appreciate your briefing on your visit.

Prime Minister Martin and I share a vision of a free and democratic Western hemisphere in which every nation upholds human dignity, and we will work together to realize that vision. Prime minister martin and I also discussed the situation in Ukraine. I informed the prime minister that i had talked this morning to President Kwasniewski of Poland. President Kwasniewski will again lead a delegation which will include a representative of the European Union to the Ukraine to encourage the parties to reject violence and to urge the parties to engage in dialogue toward a political and legal solution to the current crisis. Our common goal is to see the will of the Ukrainian people prevail. The prime minister and I want to thank President Kwasniewski for his efforts, and we wish him all the success.

We also discussed ways to strengthen the security partnership that for more than six decades has helped to keep this continent peaceful and secure. We talked about the future of NORAD and how that organization can best meet emerging threats and safeguard our continent against attack from ballistic missiles. We talked about our common commitment to securing our border. Canadians and Americans benefit from the free movement of people and commerce across the world's longest unfortified border.

Yet we must work to ensure that our ports of entry are closed to terrorists and criminals and deadly weapons. Under the smart border action plan, our two nations have developed more secure travel documents, increased our intelligence sharing, improved the collection and dissemination of passenger and customs data, and adopted better rules for processing visas. Under the NEXUS program, we're expediting travellers.

We discussed the vital bonds of trade. Today our total trade between our two nations stands at nearly $400 billion. Twenty-three per cent of America's exports come in to your nation. More than 80 per cent of Canada's exports go in to my country. Trade is important. America and Canada seek for the world the same open markets that are essential to our own prosperity. We're committed to the success of the Doha development agenda. We will continue to work to reduce agricultural subsidies that distort trade.

The relationship between Canada and the United States is indispensable to peace and prosperity on the North American continent. The United States is fortunate to have a neighbour with whom we share so many ties of values and family and friendship. We look forward to even stronger relationships in the years to come.

Thank you for your hospitality."

 
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À 3:04 p.m. , Anonymous Anonyme a dit...

from the source: The Complete Bushisms By Jacob Weisberg of Slate.com. Updated frequently. Last Update Feb. 11, 2005 - link: http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/

Bush said these things and many many more. They're very stupid. That - to me - shows Bush is stupid. It also shows that people who think Bush is smart or qualified have to be pretty stupid themselves.

If someone thinks this is mean to Bush and his supporters or not mature or whatever, that's fine. I don't really want to hear about it. Take the time you'd spend scolding me for mocking Bush and use it to write your Congress Rep. Senators and the media telling them to stop letting Bush screw up the planet. Otherwise you're wasting my time and yours.

Of course I always welcome any words of support and praise. :-)


"That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel."—Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."—Sept. 6, 2004, Poplar Bluff, Mo.

"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"Secondly, the tactics of our—as you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's—ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions—you can't—we're out of sanctions."—Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004

"I mean, if you've ever been a governor of a state, you understand the vast potential of broadband technology, you understand how hard it is to make sure that physics, for example, is taught in every classroom in the state. It's difficult to do. It's, like, cost-prohibitive."—Washington, D.C., June 24, 2004 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Thanks to Alicia Butler.)

"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today. … He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."—Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

Good ol' Bush - just another West Texas girl gone wild. No wonder she was such a good cheerleader.

 
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